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Ask Your Doctor About Meat - The Future Is Vegan

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Your body creates 2.4 million red blood cells every SECOND!

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"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." - Anais Nin

"All great achievements require time." - Maya Angelou

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny but in ourselves." - Shakespeare

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See The Beauty In Everything...

^That picture makes me smile, hope it does the same for you^

Living to 100 Life Expectancy Calculator

See what you get!

Look below to see my score!

The number of facebook friends you have means something?

Click here.

"If a girl can put up with you through your worst days,

& still stick with you & all your bullshit,

then its kind of obvious that you shouldnt let her go."

(Saw this on Twitter and loved it.)

More Than 700 Billion YouTube Videos Were Viewed in 2010.

Click here to read more.

Paleo ... Veggie Peeps ... this might be interesting for you.

Just another reason to not eat fast food...

Do you cook? Like to cook? Like to eat? Yeah, check this out.

^Is it just me, or does that just look odd?^

Is it weird that just LOOKING at a burger,

that I feel icky and... fat.

Click here to see more (happening in UK, of course not the US)

I think it is great they are incorporating veggies at Burger King

but I think it's... I don't know. You make your own opinion on it.

I didn't think I liked brussels sprouts until Thanksgiving when Danielle Richardet had made them and I tried them. Let me tell you... THEY ARE AWESOME! What in heavens is the big stink about them anyways? Why do so many people rag on them? Maybe people just listen to what others say, and they haven't actually tried them for themselves?? That's what I'd guess. I made them for the kids (Bishop family) and they LOVED them. I was so pleased!!

Click here for a blog of PICTURES :)

In the United States, over 3,000 deaths per year from lung cancer

IN NONSMOKERS

are due to secondhand smoke.

GROSS.

Pretty stinkin' cool....

Beware this one made me dizzy...

You know Hobbes...some days even wearing my lucky rocket ship underwear doesn't help.

-Calvin & Hobbes

You know your children are growing up when they start asking questions that have answers.

- John J. Plomp

Do you recognize the girl in the photo below?

She died. 28 years old.

Click here to read more.

‎"Live in the sunshine, swim in the sea, drink the wild air."

-Ralph Waldo Emerson

La Bella Vita

Chipotle roasted sweet potatoes & vegetables

♥

Roasted sweet potatoes, black beans, corn, red bell pepper, entire onion, chipotle & jalapeno pepper, cilantro, cumin, coriander, red chili pepper... over brown rice :)

"An estimated 800 million pairs of jeans are sold worldwide each year."

-Whole Living Magazine

WOW! I love a pair of jeans... but yikes! Just last week I got a "new" pair of designer jeans from Hallelu (on Wrightsville Beach, beside WINGS) for like $45 opposed to the like $200 that they normally cost. They were basically brand new... and actually fit perfect. I am going to have to get all new jeans this year :( and :) ... I put a sad face because money, but happy face because the reason I have to get new ones is because all of mine are huge on me now.

...FERNS...

are masters at clearing indoor air...? Who knew! It's the most effective air-purifying species... Whole Living Magazine says to put one (or many) in a bathroom with a window and let the steam from the shower act as a virtual greenhouse. (hmmmm that is pretty neat)

STRESS

Greenery reduces stress. Studies show the presence of plants significantly eases the recovery of hospital patients & lowers the blood pressure of office workers.

I can't wait until (I think) March when my lease is up at my apartment and I can move into a house with (hopefully) Kailee... I can't wait to paint a wall with that chalkboard paint. I think it is SO neat. I also think it would be cool to have like a "corkboard" wall, so we could put up pretty pictures, recipes, random pictures up and like make a collage...

When I "grow-up" aka get married and settle down, I plan ;) to have an office where I can have one wall with the chalkboard paint (for myself) or my kids to play on, a corkboard wall... and yeah I'll stop with my daydreaming... :)

Do you have migraines/headaches?

I found THIS interesting. Click here to read.

I've suffered from migraines my entire life... yes, even as a child... and completely think that my change in my diet, without a doubt helped me out... especially the dairy/cheese.

Beautiful skin...

Karyn Calabrese, a holistic health expert said "I use coconut oil for everything, without fail. It works as a makeup remover and as an intensive moisturizer. Jojoba Oil is even lighter and keeps oil skin in balance." It's absorbed into the skin instead of sitting on top of the surface, blocking pores and causing breakouts unlike mineral oils.

(I loved hearing this because I myself use coconut oil for ABSOLUTELY everything. Cooking, makeup remover, lotion, EVERYTHING... seriously. There is a glass jar of it right this second in my purse... you can get it at Tidal Creek & Fresh Market in the big containers... not positive about the other places. I'll have to go and get some Jojoba Oil to try out.

10-25% of Americans have a sensitivity to at least one food.

-Thought this was interesting because of gluten "deal"-

Brain Food

blueberries - red wine - dark chocolate

NAP TIME

2003 Harvard study showed that a 60-90 minute nap, including both slow-wave and REM sleep stages, boosted learning retention as much as a full 8 hours of sleep!

BUILD YOUR IMMUNITY

Veggie ppl way: beans, legumes (lentils, chickpeas, kidney beans)

nuts, and seeds (try sunflower & pumpkin)

Battle of the Superfoods

Almond Butter > Peanut Butter

Almond butter has 60% more monounsaturated fat than peanut butter.

This fat decreases harmful LDL levels, lowering heart-disease and stroke risk.

-Runners World Magazine

Kale > Spinach

Kale contains 4 times more vitamin C and one and a half times

the amount of immune-boosting vitamin A & vitamin K.

Quinoa > Brown Rice

Quinoa has 3 extra grams of protein per cooked cup

plus more fiber, iron & magnesium.

Orange > Apple

Have similar amounts of calories & fiber but oranges have 12 times as much vitamin C.

Red Pepper > Green Pepper

Red Pepper has 8 times the vitamin A

(keeps your immune system strong)

Stole these from their facebook page :) so cute!

10-20-2010

Well I forgot to wear my purple today...

but I saw these quotes on my friends' facebooks and thought I would share them...

"Everybody's journey is individual. If you fall in love with a boy, you fall in love with a boy. The fact that many Americans consider it a disease says more about them than it does about homosexuality." ~James Baldwin *Wear Purple Today* :)" -Jana Suggs Wirtel

"I'm as straight as they come but I will gladly stand up for the LGBT youth of America, scared to stand up for themselves. This gay bashing & bullying has got to stop. We have kids committing suicide because they are bullied & taunted for being "different." I've grown up & realized that there's so much more important shit goin on, then what society teaches us, as kids. Stop the hate. Love is louder." -Mel Atoa Siaki

Can we talk about boys... who want their cake and wanna eat it too... and then want nibbles out of other cakes... no, never mind I don't even want to go there....

This made me laugh... hope it makes you laugh too... :)

"At some point, we have to learn to let go of all control that we THINK we have." -Erica Denton

"Our Daily Ocean: A Story of Butts"

I just wanted to thank everyone that has been voting for my friend Danielle Richardet and her project .... "Our Daily Ocean: A Story of Butts" ... yay! She has 827 votes as of RIGHT NOW... 9:10 AM on Wednesday :) woohoo! You should check out her blog: "It Starts With Me" ... and the name of her blog, definitely deserves it's given name... because it HAS started with her! :) So proud of her!

If you have not voted... please do! You can do it everyday up until Oct 29th!

Yesterday, I had planned on going to the gym, doing P90X, etc but it was SUCH a beautiful day out that I decided to get some exercise outdoors... so I decided to go to, well... ONLY my favorite place in the entire world... yes, yes, yes, DA BEACH hehe... well I started at Stone Street (near Wings/Trolly Stop) and ran a little ways, until I found a Starbuck's coffee cup in my path just skirting around on the sand, feet from the water... and of course, I picked it up... had a few words (with myself, hehe) and then proceeded to run, with it in hand... well I continued seeing trash and it started to make me kinda angry... so I decided to turn my "beach run" into a mini "beach sweep"... and spent the next 3 hours picking up trash AND cigarette butts. I honestly should've put cigarette butts first, because that was definitely the majority of what was out there. I have to say, I never doubted Danielle's findings, or that there was a lot... and you probably don't either... but until you really go out there and LOOK for what has become so COMMON that we don't even notice anymore (so ridiculously sad) you probably won't understand... because I didn't realize JUST. HOW. SAD. it was/is. I spent the 3 hours seriously like talking to myself. Cussing to myself and then praying to myself... weird right? It's something so incredibly simple that could literally make the world of difference.

I picked up 541 cigarette butts, 6 plastic filters, tons of plastic straws, tops to bottles, bottles, glass beer bottles, numerous birthday balloons... I mean I was like in complete shock. I'm a nanny as I'm sure you know... and I brought most of the stuff I picked up with me to work, after Girls on the Run, I talked to Sonja (10) and Charlie (6) about Danielle's project again (they've been hearing me talk about it) and we sat outside and counted the cigarette butts. Sonja (10) couldn't believe how many I found, but I told her that it was NOTHING compared to what was still out there. If I compared it to the ocean, I told her it's like I only was one drop. Sonja was upset that I had gone without her, but I assured her that there will definitely be more times for her to participate.

Click here to see some of the pics from my FIRST mini beach sweep

I really think that I may start just picking up trash everyday, wherever it may be... of course, as many of you know, I was already "environmentally friendly" and what not... many of you call me a "Tree Hugger" or whatever, and that's okay... I don't take offense to it. It's honestly a compliment. Driving around yesterday afternoon with the kids to all of their activities, you should've seen me looking out the window at the side of the road, looking around and scoping out all the litter. arg. Danielle has made a Nazi out of me! hehe!

Random Interesting Facts/Info-ish

Did you know 12% of college students consider themselves vegetarian?

If vegetarian were a college major, it would be the largest!

I also heard on the radio that Psyche majors are the least

satisfied once they are placed in their jobs... grrrrrreat.

Cancer survivors who increase soy consumption are less likely to face disease again.

first generation where children die before their parents

In the mid-to-late 1920s and '30s, the age group at which 20% of the population was obese was people in their mid 50s. By 1986, that group had become people in their early 20s. That was almost 25 years ago, and the age of the obese has continued its downward spiral, leading a UK House of Commons select committee to draw their conclusion in 2007 that "this will be the first generation where children die before their parents, as a consequence of childhood obesity." -Wrightsville Beach Magazine (Aug 2010; page 25) ( Click here to read the entire article pleeeease )

"Over the past three decades, childhood obesity rates in America have tripled, and today, nearly one in three children in America are overweight or obese. One third of all children born in 2000 or later will suffer from diabetes at some point in their lives; many others will face chronic obesity-related health problems like heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, and asthma." -Click here for more GREAT info from "Let's Move"

A lot of people aren't sure if they're "overweight" or not... and some people think that they are overweight, but they're actually "normal" now... I have to admit, America's view of "normal" is not exactly what I would recommend as "normal" but here is a site for that... Click here

Now... please note that you shouldn't pay attention to only the scales... use your common sense... other things factor in as well.

Click here to use the BMI calculator for ADULTS

Click here to use the BMI calculator for teens/children

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YOU are what you eat.

RIVERFRONT FARMERS MARKET INFO (times/location/etc)

Do you want to start going to the Farmer's Market but you don't live in Wilmington... or you don't know if there is one that is closer to you? Check out this link...

Click here to find your Farmer's Market

Some of my Farmers Market findings...

My friend Zoey Zapple's son Jameson is a tree hugger ;)

SEE you can NEVER be too young ;) teeheehee

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IT'S SEPTEMBER ALREADY?!?!

September is OVARIAN CANCER awareness month. It occurs 1 in 71 women. American Cancer Society show about 15,520 women will die this year alone & more than 21,650 new cases of ovarian cancer will be diagnosed. Your gyno does NOT check you for ovarian cancer. I did the math and if 1/2 of my facebook friends were females... approx 17 of the women could develop ovarian cancer. It's a big deal.

Info on OVARIAN CANCER

Yeah, I’ve got friends that love me, a big blue sky above me, I know Jesus loves me, up in that sky above me, I see that morning sun again and feel alive ♥

Show me a girl with her feet planted firmly on the ground, and I'll show you a girl who can't put her pants on... hehe ♥

five fingers 1st time on the beach

last night I went for a run on the beach for the 1st time in my "five fingers" :) got a lot of weird looks but ohhhhh well hehehe :)

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Random Gabbin'

A lot of people have been asking lately what I do about eating out and just random questions about what I eat....

I eat out hardly ever... it saves money and it is a LOT less fattening.

When I DO eat out, which is slim to none... I usually get like steamed veggies... and I ask them if they can cook them with NOTHING, no butter/oil, and no seasoning... I was in Southport, NC last week and went to a seafood restaurant...

I can't think of the name... but I asked for steamed veggies, and PLAIN... NOTHING on them... well, they didn't listen to my request... because whenever I was served my food, they were SO salty I about hacked right there. I took that first bite, and then sat down my fork and when the waiter came back around, I informed him that they were by no means PLAIN, but it was okay, and he insisted that he have them do it again (ya, you better) okay, so the next time they came back out... they were WHAT I ASKED FOR ;o) haha...

If you are doing just VEGAN and not VEGAN AND GLUTEN FREE there are usually tons of options... even if they don't have a side of veggies on the menu, or a side of baked potato on the menu, look at the menu and see what comes with the other entrees, and ask for them... I assure you that they will say yes.

::LUNCH::

Alot of places have wraps and pitas, which is the best way to go for a VEGAN. Most places also have like at the least ONE option for a vegetarian... If they have like shrimp pitas or chicken pitas, etc you could always ask for them to steam veggies and put it on a pita, and then ask for a salad dressing(make sure you're careful with the dressings, I honestly don't use salad dressings because they are SO full of sodium)...

The thing that I am most particular about in all of my eating is the SODIUM content in all of the food. I have to admit that I honestly rarely ever look at the fat/calories/carbs... if it's vegan and gluten free, you're pretty much in good territory already, but then if you go to the grocery store and for instance, this is what I've been most shocked about... ok, so you go to the grocery store... lets say like... hm, Harris Teeter... well let's see... there are probably 7-8 different brands of black beans... but they're all the same right?! So you go for the cheapest one? Yeah, no... check out the sodium content. UGH... makes you wanna vomit in your mouth. Most have like 200+ mg of sodium per 1/2 cup... yeah, that my friend is NOT acceptable. Even the ones that say "low sodium" are rediculous... NEWSFLASH: THIS IS AMERICA... we salt EVERYTHING... so low sodium isn't always the best option... I don't know if they have a Fresh Market, wherever you live but if they do... that is where I get my black beans. The store brand of black beans is what I get... they are $0.99 a can... and I usually buy like 15 cans when I'm there because I literally eat black beans like crazy. Hellooooooo... PROTEIN! Oh yeah, and did I mention that they are 10mg of sodium per 1/2 cup?! Yeah... that's what I call fabulous. :)

When you tell someone that you are VEGAN, the first thing that pops into their head is, okay well maybe the 2nd because the 1st thing they think it HIPPIE...(by the way, I am by no means a hippie, but go ahead, label me that if you please) but yeah, anyways the 2nd thing that they think about is "Like OMG where do you get like your... like protein?!?!" ugh um, you can get your protein from plenty of places that doesn't involve KILLING and MURDERING an animal... dummies.

To those of you wondering where VEGANS get their PROTEIN...

Okay, so this is like one of my staple meals... and I also use Tofutti sour cream, it tastes funny whenever you just stick your finger in it and lick it (haha) but whenever its consumed WITH something, it's DELISH... :)

I love grocery shoppingggg

:)

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Random tips

-Don't wear baggy clothes.. even if you're in relaxing clothes... pick spandex type pants that are clingy rather than baggy clothes-your less likely to veg out.

-Make a plate, box up leftovers... put them AWAY! Go eat, and don't rush... you're less likely to go back and overeat if you have to go back into the fridge and get more food.

-I say don't eat meat at all of course... but if you do decide to eat meat... Dr. Oz I heard say... eat the 4 legged animals no more than once a week. But I'd like to take it another step... cut out beef entirely and replace fresh fish!

-In the morning, the night before, whatever... pack a raw snack to have for a snack during the day... ex: almonds(what I usually have with me because it doesn't matter the temperature), carrots, cherry tomatoes and cucumbers, etc.... It is important to have these snacks already ready and on hand, so when you do just all of a sudden feel as if you are starving... you won't just grab some sort of unhealthy snack.

-Go through your cabinets and get rid of the junk! And stop buying the junk. Go grocery shopping in a tighter fitted outfit... you'll think about how you look in it whenever you are making your selections ;)

-Drink water, all day, if you feel hungry, get your water and drink some... still hungry? Go eat. I read that your body sends signals to your brain that says you are hungry whenever you are dehydrated and really are just needing water.

-SNACK, SNACK, SNACK... don't go too long without eating. You have class? You have work? Ya, ya, ya EVERYONE does... welcome to life baby :) prepack something, a little bag of fruit, nuts, whatever and have it with you so you don't have to crave food and RUN for the snack machine or whatever other junk is readily available.

-OKAY I AM GOING TO SHUT UP NOW AND DO WHAT I SAID I WAS GOING TO DO, IN THE PREVIOUS POST :)

Justa gabbin' away

Ok, so I start summer school tomorrow. Makes me nauseous just thinking about it, to be quite honest... but I know I need to go and get it over with!

So, a lot of people have been asking me lately what I've been doing... what I've been eating/working out and what not...

Okay, so... I've been REALLY lazy. If you know me... you know that I love to work out, go to the gym, go running, yadda yadda yadda... well I've been just swamped... with what... I don't know... I guess just life! But I guess it's better to have LOTS going on then a whole lot of NOTHING... right?!?! If not, humor me and just agree...

Okay, just some little hints of what I do everyday...

-Start every morning with coffee and I do NOT skip breakfast... eat even if you aren't hungry. For a while I was eating a whole wheat bagel every AM, but now my quick, running out the door meal is... a banana or maybe 2 depending on the size and what my day looks like... if I'm going to be able to have a snack in like 2 hours or not... with almond butter. You are probably thinking... "I thought she said this was like the grab and go breakfast?" UM yes, you're correct. I did in fact say that ;) Grab banana, knife, almond butter container and... WALK OUT THE DOOR :) hehe! I eat it in the car or when I get to work or whatever suits my morning.

SAY NO TO SALT! Fletcher told me that the celtic salt is good, they have it at Lovey's in the Landfall shopping center. BTW Lovey's is amazing. They have a little cafe in there and you can be as picky as you want. Kid friendly, yes-that does in fact mean that they have a kids meal. Look them up ;)

I'll post pics of all my food in a little bit. Gotta get some things done :)

Take one step at a time! Don't rush or you'll overwhelm yourself. Google info! There's SO much good food out there, you just have to care about your health enough to find out. It's NOT hard. It's NOT time consuming. It IS rewarding and it IS worth it.

I don't want to hear any excuses people. Pre-make your meals! There is this wonderful invention called the uh..... FREEZER!

Love u 2 pieces. <3

Some people to look up with great info...

Charles Poliquin (he has a facebook account and posts awesome info!) and also Dr. Oz (DVR his show!!)

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/

Dr. Oz 10 weight-loss commandments

1. Thou Shalt Not Wear Pants that Stretch

Your clothing is your early-warning system for weight gain. When it’s getting hard to snap your jeans, you know it’s time to be vigilant. Wearing stretchy clothes allows you to live in ignorance of how your body is growing, making it easier to pack on pounds without knowing it.

2. Thou Shalt Not Keep Bad Clothes in Your Closet

When you keep the clothes you wore at an unhealthy weight, it gives you a back-up plan if the pounds don’t come off. Instead, force yourself to stay on track by 86ing your “fat pants.”

3. Thou Shalt Not Eat Meat That Walks on Four Legs More Than Once a Week

Meat that comes from an animal with 4 legs is higher in saturated fat (the unhealthy kind) than that which comes from 2-legged animals such as chickens, or animals with no legs, like fish. Plus: women who eat large amounts of red meat more than once a week have a 50% higher chance of dying from heart disease and have higher cancer rates.

EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE VEGAN... WHICH I RECOMMEND :) THEN JUST CUT BACK!!! YOU'RE SAVING TOOOONS OF ANIMALS AND YOU'RE SAVING YOUR LIFE! :)

4. Thou Shalt Not Graze

Plan your meal before you open the refrigerator, get what you need, and close the door. Opening it throughout the day leads to impulsive choices and overeating.

5. Thou Shalt Not Eat After 7:30pm

When you eat late at night you are more likely to be eating in front of the TV (when you won’t pay attention to how much you’re putting in your mouth) and you’re more likely to pick high-calorie snacks.

6. Thou Shalt Not Pile Food More than 1 Inch High or Within 2 Inches of the Plate Edge

Larger portions equal more calories. ‘Nuff said.

7. Thou Shalt Not Chew Food Less than 20 Times Per Bite

Chewing allows your body to realize that you are eating food, prompting it to create a sensation of fullness at the appropriate time. When you don’t chew enough, you get ahead of that process, eating well past when you are actually satisfied.

8. Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor’s Plate

Spend your day nibbling bites on someone else’s sandwich or afternoon snack, and you will add on 1,000 calories easy.

9. Thou Shalt Not Carry Small Bills

Nothing loves a small bill better than a vending machine. When you have them at the ready, you are one step closer to an impulsive, calorie-loaded afternoon slip up.

10. Thou Shalt Not Eat While Standing Up

Eating sitting down enables you to be aware of what you’re eating and eat it slowly so that your body can tell you your full before it’s too late

Put up your dukes Insomnia...

Okay, no lie... I love Dr. Oz... like, love love love love him! But anyways....

Info from Dr. Oz on Insomnia...

Up to 70 million American adults have some symptoms of insomnia and 1/10 have symptoms serious enough to cause problems the next day. Women 1 1/2 times more than men suffer from insomnia.

Women need sleep.....more :) hehe

-It is more critical for women to get a good night of sleep.

On 'The Doctors'...

http://www.thedoctorstv.com/main/show_synopsis/410?section=synopsis

Duke University...

http://www.dukehealth.org/health_library/news/10256

2/6/2010

So I've made a big change this year! I'm a vegan! I eat all types of "weird" stuff hahahaha... kidding! I LOVE it all. My biggest complaint so far is cream cheese because I love it on a bagel in the morning. I've tried two different kinds of VEGAN cream cheese and they just don't taste like regular cream cheese :( so that sucks... I think I just need to develop a taste for it... or I could just replace it with something else! I have been using this strawberry jam, and also almond butter. OMG ALMOND BUTTER is amazing!!!!

I've lost 10 pounds since Jan 14th! I have to say... I'm eating more than I ever have... and I've lost weight. SO weird right? But it's because I'm eating GOOD stuff :) hehe!

I have to work @ 245 today, so I'm trying to decide on what to make to eat for lunch. That's another thing that I've really changed lately... is I COOK A LOT! I used to eat out ALL the time. But I really think that is where you pack on the weight because they put SO much CRAP in food. Seriously. You order something and you think it's the healthy option but seriously... half of the stuff you think is healthy... even like the veggies sometimes... they're LOADED with BUTTER!

I have LIVED in the grocery store lately. No, seriously! I'm at one everyday! Getting things here and there that I read about and want to try! It's all so yummy!

It's so funny, because before I switched over ;) to being a VEGAN, I would hear that word.. and think, they must be a hippy, or some kind of weirdo because they can't eat like ANYTHING... silly but yeah, that's the truth. But really, it's not that way at all. I can eat A LOT of stuff. I can eat bagels and whatever too. It just takes me 30 seconds longer for each item in the grocery store because I check the ingredients to make sure it's whole wheat, not packed with sugar, doesn't contain milk, cheese, and what not... I mean like there's all this stuff that I would walk by... like hm, Graham Crackers... and be like oh man if I bought those and ate a few each day, I'd turn into a cow... UM NO! Wrong! They're VEGAN and actually quite good for you. Silly me! :) hehe!

If you have not yet read "Skinny Bitch" then I don't know what you are waiting for. For one, it's HILARIOUS!!!!! AND it explains ALL of our foods to us. It's awesome! Even if you don't want to be a VEGAN it's really cool to learn where our foods come from, and what is good for us! A couple minor tweaks, and you could really do your body some good!

Okay, well I'm off here! I'm going to watch the rest of "The Doctors" and think of what new thing I want to cook for lunch since I got all kinds of new stuff that I've never tried :)